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So...In the Interest of Humanity, I, Holdouttrout, multishipper and fic-reader of all genres, hereby Announce my desire to compile a listing of that most Rare and Wonderful Gem:

Good Cliche-Fic.

That's right. And to start off with, we're going to find the best examples of...

Aliens Made Them Do It.

Ah, those pesky aliens. Always wanting teh secks. No one quite understands why all alien cultures have a deep-seated need to see our favorite pairings do the deed, but it is a well-documented fact that no respectable alien culture is complete without an obscure law or two requiring copulation. (ETA: This does not mean alien influence, whereby one or more members of the team is influenced in some way by an alien substance. That's another cliche in my opinion).

Most attempts at this particular fan favorite end in tears. Tears of joy on the characters' parts, tears of pain on the part of the readers. But we all know that any cliche, done right, is worth the hours of sifting and struggling as we find that shining example of good, serious, fun, thoughtful, ridiculous, fic.

I'd list my own favorites, but I just scrolled through my list and...nada. Zip. Zilch. Zero. Which means, simply, that I was lame and didn't save them when I read them. Which might be my motive for this  post in the first place.

Also, if you have other suggestions for categories (baby fic is already on the list, as is miniOTP/Team), leave them in the comments.

Or, you know, tell me that someone already did this and where I can find it.

:-)

Comments

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abyssinia4077
Jun. 6th, 2007 03:06 am (UTC)
I usually don't read this genre because it really bothers me that most authors don't acknowledge the repercussions of AMTDI essentially being non-con and, well, usually not my thing.

However, once upon a time I clicked on surreallis's The Rites of Hedona which is a Sam/Daniel AMTDI and, well, to me, is exactly how each of them would react to the story's situation and how it would or would not impact their friendship.
holdouttrout
Jun. 6th, 2007 03:39 am (UTC)
I usually don't read this genre because it really bothers me that most authors don't acknowledge the repercussions of AMTDI essentially being non-con and, well, usually not my thing.

Yeah. That's what I see as the main failing of this genre. I'm sure there's good not horribly angsty stuff out there, but it is a rather awful situation.
abyssinia4077
Jun. 6th, 2007 03:42 am (UTC)
Actually, I'm fine with the angst.

What bothers me are how often stories like that have the characters be perfectly fine with what happened and accept it without question or problem. Or have it not affect them.
holdouttrout
Jun. 6th, 2007 03:51 am (UTC)
Actually, that's what I meant to say. My phrasing was just awful and convoluted. ;-)

I can be okay with it if it's completely silly like Nanda's A.D.E.A. (I remembered one!) here: http://nandamai.net/fic/?p=100

That being said, it's normally a pretty awful situation.
abyssinia4077
Jun. 6th, 2007 04:25 am (UTC)
I thought it might be what you meant.

Yes on the silly being acceptable and the ones that deal with consequences/aftermath.

Definitely normally pretty awful. Also...okay, I get that fandom likes porn, but it seems like such a weird idea to be so popular. I mean, I can understand situations where a team member would be raped by an alien (Daniel was raped by Hathor, Sha're by Apophis/Amaunet...there might have been other examples I'm blanking on - I guess sortof Jolinar/the dude on Netu) but it seems odd that aliens would insist the team have sex with each other. But I also don't get the "they got married" convention (I guess SG-1 started that with the "Brief Candle" wedding cake) - though I could imagine cases where pretending to be already married would be useful.

Dunno. Fandom is crazy. I like it that way.
surreallis
Jun. 7th, 2007 10:01 am (UTC)
You know what I think it is? At least one reason fandom likes this particular cliche so much, because they can ignore all the rules about getting two characters to have sex. They don't have to build UST. They don't have to provide justification for breaking regulations. It's just... do or die. And, of course, there are authors who love to deal with it seriously and all the consequences thereof, and those who only write crackified versions, but I think a lot of writers just like it because it's sort of a 'get out of jail free' card. I could be wrong though. ;)
abyssinia4077
Jun. 7th, 2007 12:32 pm (UTC)
*pouts*

but I want a rational reason why the aliens would want it!

*pouts*

No, you're right, that is 100% exactly why it's so popular. :)
holdouttrout
Jun. 7th, 2007 03:03 pm (UTC)
Yeah. It so is.

It's a really terribly strange idea, when you think about it.

...So I don't.

;-)
daisycm83
Jun. 6th, 2007 03:33 am (UTC)
Ah, but AMTDI needs clarification. Do you mean some alien SUBSTANCE made them do it, or aliens literally held a gun to their head or used some other method of coersion to make them do it?
holdouttrout
Jun. 6th, 2007 03:37 am (UTC)
I *knew* forgot something. *facepalm*

I'm meaning coercion of some kind. I think "alien influence" would cover the substance stuff.
daisycm83
Jun. 6th, 2007 03:40 am (UTC)
Ah, see, then I have many less suggestions, because actually, that's a scenario you see a lot less (and usually not done well at all). However, if we're including Atlantis in the mix, raisintorte has the very cute Red Light On A Wedding Night (I think that's the one, anyway). It's AMTDI...but they fake it. :-)
holdouttrout
Jun. 6th, 2007 03:42 am (UTC)
Atlantis is certainly welcome. I'll have to hunt that one down.
daisycm83
Jun. 6th, 2007 03:46 am (UTC)
holdouttrout
Jun. 6th, 2007 04:00 am (UTC)
Oh, I just LOVE that. So hilarious.

Thanks!
annerbhp
Jun. 6th, 2007 03:59 am (UTC)
Oh, hands down, Lyssie's Cauterized People. Definitely deals with the dark side of such things. Dark fic all around with main character deaths and all, but truly an amazing example of the genre.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2247988/1/

And I did a list of miniOTP recs a while ago, if you are interested!
http://annerbhp.livejournal.com/35026.html

This is a fun idea, can't wait to see what is rec'd! :)
holdouttrout
Jun. 6th, 2007 04:15 am (UTC)
I was just sitting around, thinking how much I'd like all my favorite cliche fics in the same place, and wondering why there wasn't some kind of list.

I'll check Lyssie's out.

And I *thought* someone did a mini!OTP list. Shoulda' known. ;-)
karma_aster
Jun. 6th, 2007 04:57 am (UTC)
Definately a fan of Janis Cortese's Animal Husbandry which is angsty and gritty and just very REAL. Sam and Jack are forced into a horrible situation and both have some very real fallout from it. Also, I love her geeking out over the evolution of spoken language, which is a very cool angle to take with this fic.
holdouttrout
Jun. 6th, 2007 03:04 pm (UTC)
Oh, I forgot about that one! I really like Sam's completely frustrated, snappy, snarky tone and the idea that the aliens don't see her as intelligent because they...don't want to, really.

Plus, the ending is tragic, in the sense that it does cause the kind of emotional fallout that you'd expect.
karma_aster
Jun. 6th, 2007 04:46 pm (UTC)
Her take on Sam is wonderful and really spot-on, I think. And it's all the more impressive what with her being an unabashed Jack/Daniel shipper.

The fic is actually kind of disturbing to read because it's all just very real. But it takes on the cliche and handles it beautifully.

I also think They're Mine by crayonbreakygal is a very sad but cool OT3 take on the cliche. It's mostly Sam/Daniel, but it ends with Sam, Jack, and Daniel comforting each other in the only way thier screwed-up psyches can come up with.
holdouttrout
Jun. 6th, 2007 07:08 pm (UTC)
And it's all the more impressive what with her being an unabashed Jack/Daniel shipper.

*jaw drops*

This is why good writers should be recced cross-shipping lines.

I remember "They're Mine." (See! I knew I'd read some good ones!) It's a lot more discreet than other OT3.
karma_aster
Jun. 6th, 2007 11:00 pm (UTC)
The older I get, the more I become a fan of multi-shipping. I mean, I like Sam/Jack and find it lovely and familar and comforting to read, but other ships are also fun and frequently amazingly well-written.

And I like her take on Sam NOT being this awful, awful harpy who keeps Jack and Daniel from realizing thier TWU WUV. One of her other het-fics, Actaeon is also a really good "Aliens Made Them Do It" fic which has this beautiful line about Sam reflecting on Daniel seeing this whole thing and understanding how he feels, loving Sha're and wanting Jack and not being able to reconcile these two things.
sjhw_tolerance
Jun. 6th, 2007 11:02 am (UTC)
Well, these were all actually written *to be* cliche fic, so I'm not sure if it's what you're looking for, but you can find plenty of cliche fic here: http://community.livejournal.com/samjack4evah/
holdouttrout
Jun. 6th, 2007 03:05 pm (UTC)
I love love love cliche fic written to be cliches. I'll have to scan through that community again.
bulky_monster
Jun. 6th, 2007 11:12 am (UTC)
The Blanket Scenario. For whatever reason (my favorite is to prevent hypothermia) two characters have to share a blanket. Works best when they hate each other, really. ^_^
holdouttrout
Jun. 6th, 2007 03:02 pm (UTC)
Another good idea!

Gee...I wonder who you could have in mind...certainly not a princess and a scoundrel why try oh-so-hard to deny their true feelings...

:-)

And in SG-1 (not that you necessarily care), we see Sam/Jack, or Sam/Daniel/Teal'c (which morphs into OT4 later), or two characters who *like* each other. But where's the Sam/Rodney blanket fic? Now I really want some.
bulky_monster
Jun. 6th, 2007 04:22 pm (UTC)
Hey, I will read any blanket scenario fic that comes my way. As long as it's in one of my fandoms. Call it junk food of the fanfiction world.
nandamai
Jun. 6th, 2007 12:46 pm (UTC)
My first thought was, "Oh, I've always meant to write one of those." It wasn't until I read your comment *points up* that I remembered. Yeesh! Senility, I swear.

I can't help you much because I also neglect to bookmark stuff. But I think you should tackle stranded fic next. My favorite cliché omg.
holdouttrout
Jun. 6th, 2007 02:58 pm (UTC)
Oooh, stranded fic. *loves* Seriously.

And isn't it funny how we forget what we've written? (I love that fic, btw. It's hilarious. Jack is such a whiner in it--and Teal'c is just so stoicly unamused.)
rydra_wong
Jun. 6th, 2007 04:00 pm (UTC)
paian's Still Life With Cliche is a brilliant, brutal take on the possible realistic emotional impact of AMTDI, even on people who love each other and have some level of UST (Sam/Daniel, Jack/Daniel).

For a dose of restorative silliness, resonant8's post on why Aliens only ever Make Them Do certain things is still funny, and led to littera_abactor's marvellous SG1 riff on the cliche, which I will not spoil with commentary: The Art Of The Deal.

astolat's Objectives is a wonderful silly/warm take on it, with perfect, perfect character voices - I adore her Sam in particular (Jack/Daniel).
rydra_wong
Jun. 6th, 2007 04:35 pm (UTC)
Um, here via friendsfriendlist, btw - hope that's okay.
holdouttrout
Jun. 6th, 2007 06:36 pm (UTC)
Of course it is! I know I've seen you around, too.

Thanks for the Paian link. I...woah. Like...woah. (But then, that's what I say every time I read Paian. Makes me want to turn in my Sam/Jack shipper/het shipper card, some days. Most of the time just makes me want to huddle in a corner until I'm able to write fluff again.)

And the other two links? Genius! Especially...well, "performers."

*laughs her ass off*
rydra_wong
Jun. 6th, 2007 07:24 pm (UTC)
Makes me want to turn in my Sam/Jack shipper/het shipper card, some days.

As I understand it, the Stargate fandom rules have been changed in the last few years and one is now allowed to carry multiple cards (fortunately, or I'd have lost all of mine by now ...)
holdouttrout
Jun. 6th, 2007 08:35 pm (UTC)
I have a brand-new shiny Multishipper pass...but if you can have a special Sam/Jack OTP sticker on it? Yeah, that's me. ;-P

I wonder if all fandoms go through stages: The Honeymoon Stage, The Shipping Stage, the We-Just-Want-Good-Writers Stage, and the Good-Writers-Are-All-We-Have-Left Stage.
geneeste
Jun. 7th, 2007 04:05 pm (UTC)
Sorry, I've been lurking. ;)

I wonder if all fandoms go through stages: The Honeymoon Stage, The Shipping Stage, the We-Just-Want-Good-Writers Stage, and the Good-Writers-Are-All-We-Have-Left Stage.

I just had to reply to this, because, well, it was just too. funny. And really, really accurate. Someone should do a meta on this. *nudge* ;)

*snorts again at the "We-Just-Want-Good-Writers-Stage"*
advection
Jun. 7th, 2007 03:18 pm (UTC)
::thanks rydra!::

'Still Life' is on the web, too, which avoids the flocking issue.
rydra_wong
Jun. 7th, 2007 03:24 pm (UTC)
Oh, good point; hadn't noticed that was f-locked.
advection
Jun. 7th, 2007 03:13 pm (UTC)
There's a Jack O'Neill/Daniel Jackson -- Aliens Made Them Do It list at stargate_search.

Dunno if you're interested in recs from SGA, but here are a couple of Sheppard/McKay ones:

Mercy by astolat

Assent by kylielee1000
holdouttrout
Jun. 7th, 2007 07:30 pm (UTC)
Thank you! Always good to have more recs.

(And I like Atlantis, too. I just haven't written any fic for it).
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